?

Log in

No account? Create an account

...that she might be a sufficient reason for young Candide

and he for her


April 15th, 2001

Bwahahahah @ 03:28 pm

Current Mood: energetic
Current Music: catatonia -- mulder and sculley

First off, my roommate's mixed CD continues to just kick bootay all night and all day. I realize that a summary of any ten of my journal postings could fit in the space of two individual posts. Some things bear repeating. Deal.

Secondly, I just heard back from the ORIGINAL house I wanted to move into. The poor bastard who's room I was looking at just called me. Seems the girls pre-empted me and demanded he let a friend move in in my place. I've said before that I don't honestly have a problem with this. I'd have done the same thing in their situation, save I'd have let me know what the ^&*% was going on... ANYway, it appears they wound up shafting him as bad or worse, because now things with this girl have fallen through, so now he needs someone to take the room, and I'm about to sign with this other house. Heh. Well, at least it's nice to know if for some reason things don't work out with the new place, I've got a fantastic fallback option.

I am really getting tired of this paper. My computer has crashed on my twice while I've been writing it. Fucking windows. Gah. I'm strongly tempted to just format my HD, and go exclusive with *nix and *BSD. Only problem is that I can't bear to give up WWP, and that's only designed to run under 'doze. fear

Does anyone know of a good way to do reasonably pretty and intelligent graphs, charts, and so on in *nix? I hate dealing with excel and word. If there were an alternative way to deal with graph generation, I could just learn LaTeX and 'that' whatever 'that' is, and never have to deal with the fucking windows environment save for playing video games. I know gnuplot exists, and have even used it for rudimentary things, but I'm pretty sure it can't do half the thing that excel is capable of. I'm not worried about drag-n-drop kinds of issues, I just want to go from data to pretty visual aids in a wide variety of styles and formats. Ideas? How do people who work in LaTeX generate their visual aids? They can't be using excel, so what gives?
 
Share  |  |

Comments

 
[User Picture Icon]
From:aaron
Date:April 15th, 2001 04:23 pm (UTC)
(Link)
wine

I honestly can't tell you much about it, but It's a start I think. Probably not the solution you're looking for, but it is a solution.
[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 15th, 2001 05:01 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Ye'll be wantin' to run, lad, as ye've missed the boat. Hurry! Ye might catch it yet! ;)

I'm aware of wine, however it does not solve my problem. I don't want to run excel. I do not, frankly, want to touch proprietary software with a ten foot pole unless I need it for a game, and even then, I always have to ask myself, "will this entertain me at least as much as nethack?" The answer is frequently, "no." And excel, though versatile and well written, bugs the shit out of me. I hate editing in MSOffice. It's their only decent piece of software, but the reality is that CUA is stupid. There's just no getting around it. There are those who would argue a consistent interface is worth the cost. I point them to Ximian. Anything which _requires_ me to edit outside of zsh, xemacs-viper, vim, gdb, and their various cousins in the *nix world is starting out on my bad side.

I might point out here that StarOffice does most of what I care about from Excel. What I'm looking for is much simpler. I just want a program to do things like plot a data set, fit a moving average through the points, color each subset of the data a pretty shade, and insert a legend. Wine+excel is a step closer than 'doze+excel. But only a step. Ideally I'd like something that does everything I want through a command line interface.
[User Picture Icon]
From:aaron
Date:April 15th, 2001 05:37 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Rats, StarOffice was going to be my next Suggestion.
Okay, I don't know much about this one, it's a plotting program..

Aaron's Solution #2:
gnuplot

[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 15th, 2001 05:43 pm (UTC)
(Link)
"I know gnuplot exists, and have even used it for rudimentary things, but I'm pretty sure it can't do half the things that excel is capable of. I'm not worried about drag-n-drop kinds of issues, I just want to go from data to pretty visual aids in a wide variety of styles and formats."

Heh. :) Definitely the right idea, though...::waits for #3::

Actually, I asked my roommate (who's kind of a guru level hacker) and he said he uses gnuplot and just writes scripts and stuff when he wants to fit a line or something. He didn't have a good solution for making shiny happy visual aids like pie charts, though. ::sigh:: Hopefully Ximian will get where it wants to be sooner rather than later. I'm definitely pulling for it.
[User Picture Icon]
From:aaron
Date:April 15th, 2001 06:27 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Well, I feel dumb. That's what I get for Skimming, or at least not paying attention. Of course, I'm considering this to be good service work, so I keep looking (besides, I'm enjoying it.)

In Theory this will do your job. It is command Line. It does graph. From what I looked at, I have no idea how you can get it to graph the pretty stuff you want.
Check it out.
Gri

(as Aaron stumbles across making the Hyperlink, He keeps on trying to do emacs HTML mode commands.)
[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 15th, 2001 06:50 pm (UTC)
(Link)
WOW! That rocks! Heh. Damn. Persistent lil' fucker, ain'tcha? :)

Still can't do pie charts, but fuck it, eh? I found a thing that will let gnuplot do pie charts. Man alive. That's a kick ass piece of software you found there, I gotta say.
[User Picture Icon]
From:aaron
Date:April 15th, 2001 06:55 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Hah Hah! Triumph! Okay, so where's the prize Money? :)

They're also coming out with a commercial version called "Gre", maybe that'll support Pie Charts?

Glad I could help out, have fun!
[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 15th, 2001 07:07 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Heh. I was amused by your comment about generating HTML tags, too. That's kind of related to the reason I hate MSOffice. I'm always doing shit like forgetting I'm not in unix and trying to move my cursor around with C-n and C-p, which invariably results in my opening nine new documents and then printing them. My recent switch to viper and acquisition of a keyboard with arrow keys has somewhat aided me in my efforts to do battle with the mighty Office, but it still drives me nuts. ;)
[User Picture Icon]
From:aaron
Date:April 15th, 2001 08:04 pm (UTC)
(Link)
LOL. I know what you mean. I keep trying to C-c < to get a < etc.
What is Viper, Sounds like an emacs Module...
[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 15th, 2001 08:25 pm (UTC)
(Link)
you could look here, but I would recommend you also look at the M-xinfo/viper documentation under any standard distribution of emacs or xemacs.
[User Picture Icon]
From:genders
Date:April 15th, 2001 10:21 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Kewl. I'm in kind of the same boat in the sense that I was just about to have to install Windows (shiver) because I must start finding ways to do this kind of thing myself to say nothing of getting up to speed on some nice document production. I have moved in straigh ascii for a long time, but now I need prettyprinted junk. Actually, there are a number of marvelous charting programs for Windows that beat hell out of Excel--I did freelance business charting and graphics for many years--but I always believe in avoiding the environment if I can.

So now that I have you to help me, which OS will you settle on? Either way I need a new one; I'm running a creaky old version of BSDi which I can't afford to upgrade. I have one source and five or six binary licenses for 3.1, but I haven't been able to find out what it would cost to make them current. I expect to hear from Wind River in a day or two; think you'd be interested in a fully upgraded BSDi if we can swing it? And what about brad.

Or are you looking at FreeBSD. I just hate to waste a perfectly good platform.
[User Picture Icon]
From:hawk
Date:April 16th, 2001 12:12 pm (UTC)
(Link)
Hmmm...I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but you may be crediting me with more wisdom in the matter than I deserve/posess. :) At any given time I'm usually running debian or mandrake, and some flavor of windows. I like debian's design better, but on my laptop it's a hell of a lot less time-investment to use Mandrake, and the reality it's generally good enough to keep me happy. I completely dismantle my OS' and start from a tabula rassa probably 2-3 times a year, on average, so I fluctuate. I like trying new things, and I really like trying to find configurations that work "out of the box" in the sense that my mecca is something that I need change very little to get it how I want it. This means that I frequently pursue neurotic alternatives to storing files on local machines, for example. I'm hardly an OS guru, though. I'd like to try open or freeBSD, but I've never taken the time to date. If I was working with a desktop currently I'd have tried it by now...my roommate has the latest stable distro's lying around for the BSD's (and I've got all of the flavors of linux). And I'd like to try the beta versions of debian GNU/HURD and EROS, as well. But since I'm dealing with a laptop, certain sacrifices to be made, and I have to be able to do my classwork which, :(, often demands that I be able to work in Word, for example.

If you're wondering how to do document munging outside of text mode, I really think LaTeX is very cool. I haven't sat down and forced myself to learn it, but for basic document formatting and equation editing and such it looks pretty solid. And now that Aaron's pointed me at Gri/Gre (gre is NOT proprietary), I can do just about everything I'd really want, if I just get my act together and pick up the bits. And both of those tools are text mode. I don't like spending any more time with my hand on a mouse than physically necessary. It's useful to have menus and other related things for the period where I'm climbing the learning curve, but anything that caps the asymptote at a point where that thing that's not my keyboard is still central is a Bad Thing.

If I understand your offer of BSDi correctly, I should pass, for precisely the reason I mentioned earlier. If I can't enter a warp, step out in front of a computer with a good net drop and a blank memory chip, and be up and running with the same configuration I had the day before inside a few hours, I'm not content. :) The downside of that is that I spend a lot of time trying to adapt whatever is the default behavior of software, but the upside is that I'm rarely unable to use a given system to do what I need...sharing in your wealth would be cool, and I appreciate the idea, but it would be at cross-purposes with my personal collection of ritualistic neuroses.

Was any of that even in the ballpark of what you were talking about? Hmmm....hope so. :) I'm flattered that I acquired three paragraphs of your attention, anyhow. Cheers!

...that she might be a sufficient reason for young Candide

and he for her